A DIALOGUE BETWEEN TWO EARNEST POLITICAL
DIE-HARDS: ONE A REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE AND THE OTHER A DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE-LIBERAL:
BOTH CONSIDER THEMSELVES AS CHRISTIANS.
Ed S. of Florida said, "....man eagerly advances a culture of death."
In response, Jstlb5 wrote, ..."To you who consider that it is the Catholic Archdioces right and not the mothers' right to decide whether to continue or terminate their pregnancies is ... interferring with God's intention. It is not for men, to interfere with the power given to women to make this decision for if not, He could have designed that you, the men, to get pregnant and not the women. His creation is planned way ahead of time, long before the idea of men's covetousness of God's power led them to band together and claimed having God's power to decide on women's right. Leave God's plan alone. On their own, many of the rightists religious leaders, Catholics and Protestants, not necessarily Christians, decided that they, too, are like God and can interfere with His divine plan for us who He created.
The Catholic Archdioces' attempt to persuade you politically to legislate what is beyond any government of men's right to meddle with, is an abomination to God. Deciding whether to terminate pregnancy or continue it is a matter of the women's conscience, not yours or any other men's even if they are in robes. God has a way of making sure His Will Prevail, not yours or any man-made doctrine followers of Satan. Men cannot legislate morality and criminalize actions beyond and outside the turf of the state. If unjustified abortions proliferate, this is a sign of failures on the part of religious leaders not the fault of women and the government.
Ed: ..."He is the most radically pro-abortion president in American history. He has dutifully signed off on - and implemented at each opportunity - every extremist demand of the radical pro-abortion and homosexual activist lobbies."
Jstlb5: ..."You talk and you sound like the bigotted, extremely macho-men of the Arab, muslims, uneducated red neckers of the sourthern states, and the ignoramus of the undeveloped countries. Wise up. President Obama is not the author of the Affordable Care Act. The idea originated from Mitt Romney when he was the governor of Massachusetts. It did not come from Obama the idea of funding women's health, women's pre-natal care, care for women's reproductive needs which covers regulation of their menstrual period, pregnancy and birth, and post natal care after the babies are born. Bet you don't know most of these that women needs just because you are not the one getting pregnant since God decidedly assign this responsibility to women. He just adopted what has been implemented in Massachussetts.
DO NOT INTERFERE. JUST MAKE SURE YOU HELP EDUCATE MENKIND TO BE CAREFUL LEST THEY IMPREGNATE WOMEN WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN AND NOT TO BE PREGNANT. How many men do sex for fun? Are they committing sin if they do? To some women, sex is fun. Will they commit sin if they do? But why should they allow themselves to be pregnant just by having fun like the men? Why do the macho men of the churches who call themselves Christians do have all the fun? If there are promiscuous women, there are promiscuous men. And there are better reasons why contraceptions have been liberating for women. They can plan and chose when to get pregnant and for how long they can keep on working to help their husband financially.
President Obama is pro-common sense. He is not driven by ideologies founded on hysteria, misperceptions, and distortions of the truths. If we distort truths, that is directly an assault on God for the good book (bible) describe God as the truths and He commanded us to worship him in Spirit (not the unholy) and the truth (not falsehood). Be careful, lest you are duped and waylaid by your spiritual leaders who claim they are replacing God here on Earth as your mediator to God. God does not need humans to replace or speak up for Him for it says in 1 Timothy, 2:5, "there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus." Read the bible but before you read it, seek the Holy Spirit to help you. You are way out of bounds for dissiminating many of the falsehoods being perpetuated by the political rights to the unwary and the ignorants."
Ed: ..."Mr. Obama has shown utter disregard - if not total disdain - for the U.S. Constitution."
Jstlb5: ..."I do not agree with you. On the contrary, I find him superior in his interpretation of the Constitution. Just as the good book's central theme is LOVE, the constitution's central theme is LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. He knew this, maybe you don't. If you are not sure, make sure you review how well you understood the constitution before you go around showing your intention to demonize and disrespect a President who were elected by most Americans. These Americans are critical thinkers. They went beyond President Obama's skin color and saw how well qualified he would be to be our President. And I agree wholeheartedly. It is God's will that he got elected so that people of your extremely biased pro-Catholic Archdioces' views are branded and known. I indicated "archdioces" to infer that not all Catholics adhere to your position."
Ed:..."Not the least of his indefensible infringements is his recent Health and Human Services mandate requiring, under penalty of law, that all Christian and Catholic organizations violate fundamental church tenets by providing abortifacients, sterilization and contraceptive services to employees. This may be the single most egregious breach of First Amendment freedom in our lifetimes. Thankfully, the church isn't backing down, has refused to comply and is fighting tooth and nail in court to reinstate constitutional liberty."
Jstlb5:...."There is no breach committed by President Obama of the First Amendment. The Obama administration, aiming at helping non-Catholic women who are working in Catholic institutions found a better solution: From the NYT, http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/05/31/birth-control-suit-catholic-flock-not-flocking-to-n-y-cardinal/ "
Ed: ..."The lawsuits, filed by the Archdiocese of New York and other dioceses and Catholic institutions, challenge a provision of the Affordable Care Act. The Obama administration is requiring birth control coverage in health care plans offered to women employees."
Jstlb5..."That is his duty as the President of the USA. Benefits of the law covers all women who need the coverage provided in the Affordable Health Care Act."
It exempts those employed directly by churches who oppose contraception. With Catholic hospitals and universities, the administration proposes that health insurers pick up the bill for the pill." The Catholic Establishment, as an employer will no longer be responsible in funding these needs if they arise amongst their workers who are not Catholics. They cannot legislate enforcement of their religious doctrine. They can only persuade and frighten the women that they will go to hell if they abort their premature babies. They cannot criminalize abortion and sent women who abort their babies to government prisons. Think about it. This is awfully, awfully stupid and non-sensical. You should know how aggrieviously this is. Look this word in the dictionary if you don't understand this. Maybe you will be the one who will go to hell not the women who, due to circumstance beyond their control, has to suffer and has to endure making this unfortunate decision in their lives.
Ed: ..."Scripture says that Christians are known by their fruit."
Jstlb5: ..."True Christians are not easily fooled because true Christians live by every word of Christ which they learn from reading their bible. It is not enough for them to just sit in their church and parrot every words they are asked to repeat. When they go home they study what they heard to check if what they were told are of Christ or just man's words. They check with Christ first before demonizing any one of God's children...like President Obama. They knew when they are asked to follow man-made doctrines and dutifully disregard them lest they will follow them against Christ teaching. Christ's followers do not follow men's doctrine. When told to worship God in truth and spirit, they do just that, no pictures, no bust, no images. Just the Good Lord in their hearts and minds while they commune with God in SPIRIT. There is no way Christians can go wrong if they are following Christ."
Ed: ..."Mr. Obama's fruit is rotten to the core. He talks like a Christian while his actions scream secular-socialist."
Jstlb5:..." President Obama is working for America, whose people are of different religious orientations. A muslim-American is no less an American than a Catholic Filipino-Americans, or a Catholic Puerto Rican-Americans. There are Mormons, many different Christians that originated from the power-house of the dominant religions of the past, some of which vehemently rejects Catholics doctrines and became known as Protestants. There are Hindus who practice taoism, Chinese and Asians who are Buddists. Hey, Catholics are not the only Americans in the US. Catholics must learn to share the practice of Democracy without calling its President as seculiar-socialist. He is a president to ALL AMERICANS. So be still and listen to the voice of the mighty Lord, in spirit, not through the noisy, extreme, one-liner sloganeering, hatefull messages coming from the conservative-rights. President Barack Obama is not rotten to the core. You said that. The idea comes from your brain, induced by a conniving hearts willing to assuage your racists and bigoted character. This is what I mean when in the beginning I told you to be careful when demonizing someone who many of your fellow Americans voted to be the president of this country. He represents me and everyone else in this country. He is like our Flag, he holds the highest Office in the land and you and everyone else owe him respect. You cannot judge how Christian a person is by his actions and manner of speech. God judges us by the intention of our hearts. And your evil intentions are discerned in the way you speak."
Ed: ..."I intend to work with every fiber of my being to see that Mr. Obama is not re-elected. To the extent this benefits Mr. Romney, so be it."
Jstlb5: ..." The least fiber of your body is not yours. So, make sure God will allow you to use yourself for demonic purposes. You, in the way you speak here, and Romney are of the same mold. You deserve one another, he who will stand for anything, say anything to get votes. What did he say? He stands for what he said, whatever they are. Geeess, and you want him to be a president? He is not comparable to the dignity and the honesty of Barack Obama."
Ed: ..."It took one word to convince me: judges. The next president likely will fill at least two Supreme Court vacancies in the next four to eight years. Appointing Supreme Court justices may be the single most significant thing any president can do. For better or for worse, it profoundly steers law, public policy and culture at large in perpetuity."
Jstlb5: "That is true if you can convince me to vote for Romney. He is not going to be the next president. The way you campaign for him, your rational for electing him will help him get defeated."
Ed: ..."This is our most crucial point of focus: ensuring an originalist, strict constructionist majority on the high court. If Mr. Obama is re-elected and appoints one, two or even three more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs, forget it. America, as our founders envisioned her, is dead."
Jstlb5: ..."You mean, liberty and justice for all, not just of the few? And for being so myopic, short-sighted, ignorant, extremely idiologue, you surely will be dead like the vision you have for this country. You don't know what our Founding Fathers belabor for. You are a divisive factor who, if you get your way will be planting seeds of destruction to this country. I hope you wise up before it is too late. If the Catholics had come here first instead of the Protestants who ...On May 14, 1607 landed on Jamestown Island, to establish the Virginia English colony on the banks of the James River 60 miles from the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay, we won't have A United States as it is now. They would have converted every Indians they found into Catholism and secure their allegiance to the Vatican by exorting them to be obedient and not ask questions because they will be told they are committing sins if they do, then would have started to mine the wealth of this vast land country and shipped them to the Vatican, the seat of power in Europe at the time....just like what they did in the Philippines. So, lookee here, who is demonizing a very honest, smart, hard working president of the USA? The Catholics (not all Catholics like Chris Matthew, Laurence Odonnell, etc) will not come up with a constitution like what we have now for people they convert will be forbidden to ask questions and become blindlfollowers of whatever they were told in order to qualify to go to heaven. Christ must be crying for your souls because of how you allowed yourself to be duped."
Ed: "Though Mr. Romney's judicial appointment record while governor of Massachusetts was erratic at best, he has pledged during this election cycle, "I will appoint conservative, strict constructionists to the judiciary."
Jstlb5: ..."And you believe him?"
Ed: ..."Flip-flop? Perhaps."
Jstlb5: ..." And you don't care if he is a flip-flopper? You want an unprincipled person to occupy the Oval Office? One who have already sold his soul to the highest bidders (superpac donors)?
Ed: ..."Still, Mr. Romney has proven that he cares about and understands political self-preservation."
Jstlb5: ..."He has proven this to you already? He understood wealth-preservation, but not political-preservation. He failed dismally as governor of Massachussets. And now you still want him to replace a pragmatic achiever in the White House? President Obama is irreplaceable. Inspite of the obstructionist Congress, he had already passed several reforms needed to make sure the economic collapse caused by two unfunded wars and balooning deficits and housing collapse that the Bush/Chenney left for President Obama to deal with which he had been able to reverse should not stop now. We will vote for President Obama and then Hillary Clinton after his 2nd term of office. We will fill the House and the Senate with Democratic members to make sure the supreme courts is filled with justices who understand the true spirit for which the Founding Fathers work so hard to establish.
Not many of the Catholics, especially from the Filipino-American communities understand the core of the Founding Fathers' reason for experimenting in a democratic government. Many of them don't know what is being free. Most Catholics are not free to think for themselves. They don't know what is common sense that comes from God. They want the livings to die while preventing and controlling the women to exercise their rights having been elected by God to carry their next generations in their wombs. Now, the extremists religous zealots want to disrespect the womens private parts...complaining about big government, yet will allow them to invade the privacy of Americans homes, their privacy, and their sexual privacy. Shame on them!. They are blinded by their machoness and fanaticism. The best they can do is to prevent unwanted pregnancies through the most sensible way to do it because they are so harmless...the use of contraceptives. In fact, women should not be the only one who should use them. Men should be sterilized temporarily so that they do not empragnate women by accidents or against their will."
Ed: ..."If Mr. Romney wins the White House and expects a second term, there is a strong chance, I believe, that conservatives can hold him accountable to his word."
Jstlb5: "Tell me, who are the conservatives? Describe who they are. Most bills that President Obama wants Congress to pass but refuse to do it, were originated by the Republicans before....Dream Act, Jobs for America, More of Stimulus, and contraceptives were accepted by previous Republicans who by now had retired, or left out of disgust with the unyielding, extremist tea party members. The bailing out of failed banks was proposed by the Republican congress and Bush/Cheney administration.
You must follow your man-made doctrines because you will go to hell if you don't. Christ no longer has anythng to do whether you will go to heaven or not. It is all according to the Catholic Archdioces. How about the Catholic pedophiles? Their victims have already been born but it seems they have been aborted over and over when they were already out of their mothers' womb by the Catholics Archdiocese INACTION. If you are truly pro-life, then first be kind to the living: the young girls who get raped by their fathers, girls who get raped by their husbands, girls who must work as prostitutes because they have been sexually abused by members of their family, mothers who are unfortunate to be carrying deformed fetuses. Help create safety nets for these women. Then God, seeing your kindly hearts and understanding, will do the rest. Leave the rest to God. He is all knowing and all powerful. More so than your priests and princeses of the Vatican City and the protestant dupers of the southern states. You do not have to divide the country between religious creeds and beliefs, races and politics. "
Ed: ..."Indeed, political self-preservation will provide Mr. Romney a strong incentive to honor his pro-life, pro-family conservative rhetoric. Most important, it significantly increases the chances that he will appoint originalist judges to the Supreme Court as promised."
Jstlb5: "I hope he follows what you said he will do and tell this to the people. That way he will never get to the White House. I tried in the hope that you will understand that your candidates will be losing because of your extreme idiologues about women's reproductive rights and the economy. The November election has proven that you are following the wrong crowd in politics. Time to change your course. Learn the lessons of the current events not the lessons learned by extreme ideologues of the rightist's camps.
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